I have been shooting for around 50 years, and I like the .40 S&W for most things. But I have a lot to learn in this area as well. Its truly sad that worthless police management who sit on their asses all day behind their desk in their A/C can implement near-sighted ideas like this, but it is what it is. Firing the 9mm at the range was fun, then I fired the .45had to peel the smile off of my face. have the .45 pistol/carbine combo, luv 'em. It is inherently easy to remove from safe to fire and the safety is constructed well. Karl, youve clearly done no ballistics research and are relying entirely on anecdotes and your own experience. Proponents of the spray say that the spray is more effective, because you don't have to worry about getting out your gun and having the presence of mind to get on target in a few seconds. It also has a wide selection of ammunition types. The lady and child suffered a terrible experience but survived. Its such a pathetic argument. Also loud as hell - enough to alert everyone in the house and even if you miss, the intruder is less likely to stick around to hear the mechanics of a pump signaling a second shot is on the way whether they're armed with a piece or a crowbar, unless they intend to harm you, rather than just steal your stuff. I may be considered old and not moving with the new trends, and all is good and dandy with the 9 mm and all the new ammo development, but if the .45 was good to stop the japs and the Krouts, in my book it is good to stop anyone who wants to harm me or my family. On his last visit I shot his personal carry 45, and compared it with my Sig 320. Adam and Eve passed on the nature of sin (spiritual death) to the whole human race (see Romans 5:12-21), which is why we MUST be "born again of the spirit in order to enter the Kingdom of God" (see John 3:3). If the wound channel is indeed the same, then the 45 is the inferior round in all regards except home defense. I am not sure if i would like to be hit by one 45 acp or 4 high velocity hollow point 22's ( honestly i can say neither but i do not disagree just throwing my 2 cents in it is all about shot control and placement. I have used both and much prefer the 9mm to a .45 ACP. Personally, I feel 9mm needs a boost in its speeds, because you are sacrificing bore size. You must slow down. Let me start out by saying that the biggest mistake that most people make is taking a black-and-white stance on the .45 ACP and 9mm. Well written article. Most of the 9mm-luger cartridges they tested are still accelerating out to 16, but most of the gains occur by about 10. I really enjoy carrying the 22 TCM, 19 rnd, 40 gr hollow points. Thanks for the one sided argument. FBI dropped 0.40 not because 9mm comes even close to it just affirmative action that's all it is. The common reasoning that having more than enough, or having the most you can carry because you can 'never have enough', well, it's not something anyone can make others believe one way or the other. If they've conducted studies and have a general opinion the 9mm is better for fire fights in the field, that is a very strong point in favor the the 9mm. No matter what caliber you pick, we got you covered in our Best 9mm Ammo and Best .45 ACP Ammo reviews. 9mm: FMJTC: 124: 396: 1200.38: SJSP: 125: 261: 970: As we can see from the charts above, the 9mm at double the pressure, translates to near double the amount of muzzle energy . Getting back to the point the 9mm gives less recoil and many cops nowadays cant shoot for shit. Due to its bulky size I generally leave it wedged in between the front seats of my truck so I can access it fairly quickly, I never badly carry it because of the uncomfortable size and also because I live in Florida a lot of people still dont support concealed carry as much as Id like them to so I worry about it peaking out from under the bottom of my shirt and causing an issue with someone. With a good modern defensive ammo, the 9mm is just as powerful as any .45, just in different ways. As to increased penetration, this is only really a concern for LE. I literally just bought one of these. (btw; I cast, coat and load 40, 41 & 45 Colt). ps I have always thought, why do "they" argue the 9mm hollowpoints advanced and are the same performance as 45 now. Studies done on combat troops show similar hit ratios to these LEO stats. They had a narcotic in them to keep them advancing until they expired. The 25 loads tested characterize a spectrum of what is available today at retail and have representative samples from the least expensive range ammo to the most advanced self-defense loads made for the 9mm round. You think that you can outshoot a cop? I read most of the posts that preceded mine. Neither round is worth anything if you can't connect with your target confidently and accurately. Like clipped on the front of your backpack harness or belt, in a manner where it can quickly be retrieved and used. In my opinion 185 grain .45 Auto hollow points are a better pistol round than any 9 millimeter Luger out there. Look at 5.56 vs 7.62 - the 5.56 makes havoc (spinning widely) when it enters the body which results in way more damage than the difference in diameter. Same debates have raged on Betamax vs VHS, mustang vs camaro, HD-DVD vs Bluray, etc etc. Well the most elite special forces still use 45 acp, is it because it is better? Even on the Eastern front, a large part of how the USSR was able to keep fighting was because of American lend-lease. Great weapon! Obviously, he didn't get me. But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. Even the FBI has phased out the .40 S&W in favor of the 9mm. I prefer the .40 S&W. You follow the directions on the can. Pulling up graph for 223 one sees energy increasing almost linearly with barrel length up 18 where the graph ends. . disagree with your conceal ability statement, sorry. https://ammo.com/articles/handgun-wounding-factors-guide But it's like buying a vehicle, or picking out a new bass as far as there are pros and cons to each one. Grip circumference on the 9mm and ,45 pistols is not that different. Now this is just me you pointed out several factors for both weapons and I agree it's to ones mind set on which weapon feels right in your hand. Its lighter than the 21, has greater capacity, and I can switch to .357 Sig in less than 30 seconds with nothing more than a barrel. Accuracy is affected by the stress of being shot at, the need to establish effective cover, high respiratory rate from the exertion required to get to that cover, moving (and sometimes multiple) targets and other factors. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. In my .45 version of this test, I ended up with three Sig pistols and a Smith and Wesson. When comparing the Glock compacts in both calibers, the 9MM was less bulky, lighter, and easier to conceal. When did this stop being about the two rounds up for discussion? as are some of my other tests. Yep. EDUCATION 101. In the case of average muzzle energy for a given caliber, that would be the 9x19mm. So, even if the 45 "hits harder", that only matters if your on target. We measured the velocity for all 40 rounds using a Competition Dynamics Prochrono chronograph placed 10 feet away from the muzzle. +P and +P+ rounds are available as well. If you are going to go through all the trouble to defend yourself and/ or others you might as well knock the bad guy(s) down - and take their soul at the same time. A 124 grain plus P will not start dropping velocity until somewhere over 16 inches of barrel. If you are in a do or die situation and there is still one bad guy left you need to put down, and you only have one bullet left in your mag. Enjoy your retirement. So, caliber choice. Now when you factor in shootability, cost, and capacity you can make an argument that the 9mm is the better round but it is NOT as effective as a 45 when it comes to terminal ballistics. The .357 SIG Liberty does it with its rifle like speeds dumping its energy immediately on target and making temporary wound cavity matter. Get Our Top Shooting Drills and Zeroing Targets ($47 value - but FREE for a limited time). Momentum is what gives more knock down power. I'm citing experience, something you clearly lack. -- For 9mm, some who prefer high capacity and easier recoil, I understand. The Lehigh Defense 70gr HERO loading exited the muzzle at a staggering average of 1784fps from the G34 and only lost 234pfs going down to the minute G43, which works out to only 15% loss. That being said, every one raves about the FPS of the 9mm. Hi Wyatt, not trying to be a jerk here. I agree with the .45 recoil being overblown. Based on the data above, it appears that almost all loads tested got their greatest percentage increase in velocity up until about a 7" barrel length. One thing I like about the. I'll be shooting faster when I'm more confident that I can hit the target (the closer the distance; the bigger the target; the easier to handle, more accurate the gun). Both 9mm and .45 ACP workjust personal preference, imo. Joe Miller's Navy instructor was just another of those guys who spread myths based in sentimentality instead of facts. Also buy a super bright flash light it will help you see and blind the intruder. And full metal jacket 5.56 bullets are not more effective than 7.62 x 51 using full metal jacket from what I have read. I could not agree with you more on every level. I don't think one is better than the other either. If you practice and hit a vital section, the adversary is done. The prospective of gun use (effective distance) and barrel length is to myself most important you dont want to bring But I think 9 millimeter Luger is a better carbine round over .45 Auto. I went to work on the Police Dept. You DO have to have the spray handy though. Use what you can use the best. I have several carry modes active: inside the waist band, outside the waist band, pocket (jeans, shorts and jacket), and .380 on the ankle. Maybe target practice? Modern ammo has not only benefited the 9mm. I also hold no delusions that the US would have defeated the axis powers by itself. I think the recoil of 45 is way overblown. I know that if my threat has consumed a narcotic I may have to fire my 9mm several times to stop the threat but if I hit my target with my .45acp the threat will be on the ground before it realizes that it has been hit. I was in the Corps during the .45 ACP to 9mm swap. Bye, Vendetta? Since the shooter is the main determinant in any weapons efficacy for self-defense, that is possibly the 9mm greatest strength. ANYONE who says in a civilian encounter they can end it in 3 shots is either a psychopath, a liar, or never been in a SHTF scenario. So muzzle energy is certainly real and a consideration; however, if hit in the eye with a .22LR versus hit in the arm with a 45 ACP means anything, worry about aiming over power. I (thankfully) also have an overactive amygdala response that kicks in to take over. Its the gun I run classes with and is setup on my battle/SHTF rig. More calibers means more gun owners!! Once you're done watching YouTube videos, come back when you have more real world experience. Bottom line though all are great weapons. I really admire the professional comments that was written. es mas liviano y desarrolla una velocidad supersonica, su proyectil aerodinamico y la velocidad de boca, le dan un poder de penetracion, pero mientras no toque un organo vital, el adversario seguira disparando, aun herido por la 9 mm. I had a Beretta 9mm issued to me when I was 11H in the Army National Guard and it was ok, but I prefer my Gold Cup over that pistol. A range instructor at Camp Pendleton once told me most would-be handgun shooters would be more effective hurling the pistol itself at the enemy rather than trying to aim and fire it. In case you actually see this, if you are wondering about self defense in the home, you need a shotgun. Physics works whether you're a criminal or a descent citizen. Here is what an okd timer officer wrote about the subject. 45 acp, with a father like the one we had, Hopefully he ll leave or be disoriented so you can leave in a safe direction. Its simple physics whats going to cause more damagea Federal HST 147gr 9mm going 1000 fps or a Federal HST 180gr 40 going 1010 fps? So, pick what you like, as long as the handgun iis suited to the job at hand. In most cases, the larger the bullet you have, the slower the velocity. It is up to you to determine the compatibility of any ammo with your particular pistols. They struggled with .357 and .45. 45 ACP Ballistics :), Here's an old lady's take on it: the best gun/caliber is what YOU shoot best. And that's a good thing!! .45 People talk about stopping power and knock down power. 30% is being nice. With half coming in under 400 ft lb. Americans don't care what Europeans think. Every single bullet, whether its a full-metal jacket, hollow point, or soft nose, can be measured in muzzle velocity. I solved the argument of the 9mm vs the 45acp I have a 10mm and it's the best of both worlds, I am a Competition shooter I have shock sigsauer 9 mm Very unimpressed first of all Sigg Sire that I have the frame is bent It offers a larger magazine capacity given a similarly sized firearm, And its compact nature makes it easier to carry, especially when concealed carry, Not to mention, the 9mm brings less recoil, making it an easier gun to handle especially for beginners, While the answer to this is up to debate, one thing is certain: higher muzzle velocity does equal, Unfortunately, this benefit may be completely. That's the amount of energy even cautious self-defense experts consider adequate for self-defense. The time fighting is a poor metric for how wars are won. Alexa analytics service - keep track on user informations. But after doing extensive research I've come to the conclusion that the ultimate home defense gun other than a 12 gauge would be a 45 pistol like the CMMG Banshee with a suppressor. YouTube - Store data on what videos from YouTube the user has seen. The truth isneither gun has a total advantage over the other one, and your personal preferences will play a lot in determining which handgun is for you. I own both. We already have an account registered for email address Muzzle Energy: 369 lb/ft (230gr at 850FPS) 304 lb/ft (124gr at 1050FPS) . I dont have much experience with 45s but my nieces husband (recently retired LEO) said his crew tested both 45 &9s extensively snd came to the conclusion that the 45 was quicker and more accurate on follow up shots due to the push back in the hand rather than the muzzle jump of the 9mm. Despite all the impressive "science" deployed to reinforce the assertion that higher speed projectiles are more capable of inflicting the deep penetration and impact-effect required to reliably anchor heavy game, one finds that these assertions simply do not withstand common sense, repeatable penetration testing. But if the FBI and cops have reverted to 9mm, I'm comfortable with it too. .45 ACP and 10mm, both being slower heavier bullets than .357 SIG have greater penetration. This is an Alexa Analytics cookie that is used to track user behavior. With handguns, its all about holes: how many, how big, how deep, and where hit. Both kills, but one kills instantly, the other allows for return fire from your attacker. What a glory to shoot, minimal recoil, and excellent stopping power. If you're afraid of what's behind your target you shouldn't be shooting in the first place. This is simply not true. Luger presented his new round to both Great Britain and the U.S. before it was adopted by the Imperial German Navy in 1904 and the German Army four years later. Here in my area ( and pretty much every american homeowner) it will be a gunfight that will be fought at close range, fewer than four bullets shot and be over in seconds. No, it's just wrong to tell half-truths & mythologize recent historical events. Josh Wayner has been writing in the gun industry for five years. Brandon Harville, There is a link to a notorious anti-gun organization in your article. I cant say how other .40 S&W feel/shoot, but any of my friends that have shot the 96 love its accuracy and low recoil. Time matters. The _ga cookie, installed by Google Analytics, calculates visitor, session and campaign data and also keeps track of site usage for the site's analytics report. Regarding "damage" - both have about the same amount of energy, both leave indistinguishable wound tracks in pliable human tissue - we're not clay. One thing I see a lot of people point to as proof that the 9mm is nearly identical to the .45 ACP in performance is the FBI testing protocol. If interested perhaps we can exchange some info or thoughts, was really looking forward to reading this when I had time. Now I am a range officer and shoot concealed carry and IDPA style matches regularly. Both rounds are great in my book I definitely use both depending on the situation at hand. The reality is that 30% is on the high side. The knock down power of the .45 is undeniable, but again, the speed and capacity along with the availability and price of the 9 makes all the difference to me. But, firing rounds takes time. And the one kept loaded in the bio-lock case bedside is the Colt's Government Issue, with 2 clips of Hornady Critical Defense alongside. But that does not make them the best. Golden saber .65 I was working off averages that clearly didn't account for the extreme edge of the versatility of the 45 ACP cartridge. The 9mm is easier to conceal but when I am on my Harley I like to carry the 45. Capacity is not as huge a deal as you make it out to be, you tried to compare police shootings to civilian ones. You may need to spray again so a larger can is a better bet if you can afford it. It stops would be's and penetration is a non issue. Well this is not the case I give you the words of Randy Garret. I chose 45 acp. 2. Facebook Speer 124 Grain 9mm +P Ammo Average Velocity: 1194 fps Average Muzzle Energy: 392 ft/lbs Wait until he starts moving toward you? Muzzle velocity, however, is not always a fair comparison, as different projectiles have different purposes and downrange performance. I carry a Shield or a Glock 26. With having very minimal firearm experience, could you recommend a good choice? However, theres always something to be said for having really big bullets ready to deal with really big problems. The 45 exhibited less muzzle jump than my 9mm. The 9mm has to have much higher velocity to have the same momentum as a 45. 45ACP. The cookie is set by GDPR cookie consent to record the user consent for the cookies in the category "Functional". Time to grow up and recognize the difference between feelings (nostalgia, cool factor, historical value etc) and facts. Saying Islamic Terrorist attacks were really just another "gun violence incident" is a vile misrepresentation of reality. With modern ballistics the 9mm went from weak and unreliable to usable. The 9mm is ballistically superior to the .38 Special, there's no doubt about that. Fair & balanced article. Put several makes and models in your hand. Ballistic coefficient is a measurement of a projectiles ability to resist air drag. Itll help keep you consistent and on-target. My preference is for the .45 (partly due to the fact that though I've fired a 9mm, I don't own one but mainly through greater familiarity with the .45 & having a decent stock of ammunition for same) but I don't think a person would go wrong with the 9mm & for that matter (even though it wasn't included in the comparison) the .38. Not in California and some other states that stop you a 10 rounds mags. Faster bullets are also better for terminal performance. You're 100% right the big boy can handle a coyote and a wolf so why waist your time carrying something that cant protect you from the both of them?? That is just simply a foolish claim to make. Sit down, you sound dumb. Maybe alternate .45 hollow point and hot buffalo bore or extreme penetrator (best of both worlds). with two shots in the heart from a 40 S&W. Locally we are seeing a lot of police involved shootings using 9mm, and they empty the clip almost every time. "Subsonic for a bullet is slow"Again, your limited knowledge is apparent here. In a gunfight, every round which is fired, by either side, is potentially lethal. It comes from the shooter. In short, we ALL live for ever: the only question is WHERE? Or pick up some Federal HST 185 grain 45 ACP, 1140 fps! The last comment is assuming that a high velocty rifle round is a good penetrator. This is repeated in Winchester's Power Max cartridges. They hardly hit that number. To think you need 15+1 is just imo foolish. I'd rather have a .22 short revo than just my index finger. If you look up the Buckeye Firearms Association article comparing calibers, 9mm fails to incapacitate 13% of the time while .45 ACP fails to incapacitate 14%. One of the most attractive things about choosing a 9mm for home defense is having more rounds at your disposal. My personal preference for a home defense handgun is a full-sized pistol chambered in .45 ACP. Per chance were you assigned to Devonshire Division of LAPD? Owning at least 1 9mm seems practical though, as availability of ammo is likely even in a SHTF situation. I don't think the debate will ever be answered. If anything, it's the opposite. Most shootouts are long range. Because when you are confronted in your living room, at a distance of 10-15 feet, you have to drop him before he can fire or you are going to get hit. Weve really missed you since 2016!). It's a hardwired biological response. First to mention, we are limited to FMJ rounds, no HP no JHP, just plain FMJ. My experience has led me to the same conclusion. How well you can control the weapon is a HUGE factor. 9mm &357 same caliber but 357 alot more propellant. The law enforcement and military need that exact type of round and the 9mm is the perfect gun for those situations. And by the way,the famous FBI shootout was ended by one well placed round from a frickin 38special!!! I'm carrying a 45, and it was because of the lesser penetration that I decided on it. the heavy slow 45 stays in the body and delivers most of its energy to it. Youre alluding to it but youve cited nothing The 1911 has a 3.3" barrel and is also small. I totally agree with the author. The difference between the two cartridges in size is dramatic. Gun writer, Josh Wayner, reveals the results of his 9mm velocity trial. Center mass Shot placement. Equipped with a suppressor, they make ideal home defense weapons and they are less likely to over-penetrate. And 357 magnum also. In the old days cowboys put 5 rounds in their 6 shooter and money in the last chamber to be used to bury them. I carry a Glock 30 concealed . My "bedroom" gun (the one I keep ready for home defense situation) is a 1911 Gov. lbs. Your mileage will vary. 24 is the SAAMI (industry) standard despite the fact that most .223 ammo is probably fired from an 18 AR-15 barrel. While the answer to this is up to debate, one thing is certain: higher muzzle velocity does equal slower bullet drop. My son bought 00 because he thought it was a good idea to be absolutely sure he could take an intruder down, where birdshot might be 'iffy'. Just for amusement value (not scientific) I once fired a glock 17 with a fmj 115 gr bullet into a ten inch square creosoted fence post. Good day, Karl. The 45 makes bigger hole while 357 punches deeper. Anyone that has fired a gun indoors knows the value of a subsonic round and a suppressor. For me, it's an SR1911, an old 4x4 Toyota with a stick, and a Pedulla my choices on all 3 are exactly the same i thought that was oddly coincidental since all 3 are not the most common choices. 30.06 Well, lets take a look at these two rounds and pit them against one another. Thankfully my training kicked in. Wound channels identical, higher capacity, better follow-up, more platforms to choose from, cheaper to shoot plus . chicks dig guys who carry 9mm. Only because many pokice depts as hiring more and more females. Case closed. The Ruger LC380 is her favorite. I'm dead. Recoil is largely the same between the 9x9mm and the .45 ACP. It's just going to tear stuff up more in there. Compl ignoring the fact that it never works and it destroys nations. You can think of several reasons for this better than me probably. I want harm for nobody, and especially me and mine, too. I fired four magazines on patrol engagements and was credited by MI at debriefs with seven confirmed. May be a great home defense gun, but far from ultimate . That being said, I would go to hell and back with my HK USP 45. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". He didn't make it and when they found the round it was in his neck. 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