Have you noticed the fall off in comments by the regulars? And whatever Kings responsibility (or lack thereof) for that, you can hardly blame Olson of the Mater Dei priests for that state of affairs. Fortunately, I have read my way to excellent sites such as this one, if only by the grace of Almighty God. God love you! "I think today a lot of those devotions are missed," Father Stinson said. Please keep in mind that I am speaking only for myself. Saguto is an excellent priest but he needs to stop perpetuating this lie and he needs to order his priests to do the same. Hes been reassigned to be the parochial vicar at St. Joseph, the FSSP parish in Tyler, Texas. Mr. Miguel Flores-Perez ('02), and Rev. The fact that he has since set up an FSSP parish doesnt really fully redress that injustice, to my mind. Perhaps bc of those such as yourself who have been poorly & even cruelly treated by a sedevacantist somewhere along the line, some proceed to make vast generalizations. Cardinal Raymond Burke, Bp. Who gets to determine where the standard of Christ is planted? I pray that Catholics (on BOTH sides of this issue) read your response and learn that the real enemies of Our Lord love confusion and division. SAGUTO - Michael D., on June 12, 2009 of Syosset, NY. After ten years of pastoral service, he was appointed by Fr. Edmonton, AB SOLEMNMASS Fr. Gerard Saguto, FSSP We all have blind spots about ourselves and situations we may be in, and the realization of such things can be quite the exercise in humility. South Bend, IN Voris then goes on to quote (without attribution) Fr. it comes from the intimate sense of spiritual realities which they experience. New Priest Assignments Announced. Kindly stop presuming everyone who reads this blog or watches CMTV has a developed awareness of the dismal state of affairs in the Church as you claim to have. I would submit that a reasonably well-formed Catholic of average intelligence can indeed arrive at a high degree of certainty that the dictates of the post-conciliar popes with respect to the SSPX (as it concerns issues surrounding Vatican II and the new Mass) are not manifestations of the will of the Father. Michael Saguto passed away in New York, New York. Vennari & I agree on (almost) nothing, obviouslybut I see that hes not gotten involved in this most recent Voris-shtick. Lets revisit what Voris (and Fr. I am a Catholic who assents to all the Teachings of The Roman Catholic Church which lives on, undefiled in all her Glory. The threats certainly have increased in intensity in recent years; even the lukewarm Christian can sense this and perhaps feels the need to join in the resistance and push back. Clearly many of them have the Faith and are holy. Inaccurately classified and Inaccuratley defined sorry to the average reader i got it wrong in my comment above thanks de maria for correcting me. The Missive. Novus Ordo Traditionalists That is the most Orwellian phrase I have ever heard. Richard M, Alarico, thank you for bringing this to my attention. The Society operates from the standpoint of speaking Catholic truth in the face of every attack regardless of the source. Fr. Then I realized This entire tirade is full of calumny and detraction about the FSSP and false accusations about Fr. Apr 20, 2020. ********** In a Nov. 15 statement, Archbishop Bernard Hebda said the recall of Father Gerard Saguto, FSSP, "was taken in response to an issue that had surfaced in trauma counseling undertaken voluntarily by Father Saguto and brought by him to the attention of his superiors. And this goes unchallenged! Orlando, FL As , albeit indirectly, pointed out in a discussion with my2cents below, trads have 2 things in common: they love the so called latin mass & they revile sedevacantists. Fraternity Publications His position hardened somewhat in his final years (during which, I might maintain, he probably still would have sprung for either the 2000 or 2012 structure deals offered to Fellay, based on what I know of them), but the fact is that he really did try to work obediently if it would be allowed, even to a papacy that was increasingly singing a modernist hymn. (Or he was last time I was around there, at any rate. On behalf of all of the members of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter, the Superior General and his Council would like to express their great thanks to Fr. Michael Voris is kidding himself if he thinks for even a moment that he is any way comparable to the SSPX as it concerns addressing the present crisis in the Church. However, sadly, the impression is often given that this is not the case. Wolfe. Objectively, absolutely nothing will change whatsoever, which brings me back to Fr. Fr. I dont say any of this as a criticism of those attending and supporting SSPX chapels, or even their clergy, which also includes some fine priests. Fresno, CA Within that undertaking will be the discovery of where Catholicsm actually lives on, whole & entire, undefiled, untainted & immutable. Sadly SSPX faithful went to a FSSP Priest (who I wont name) with problems in their marriages and the FSSP told these Catholics YOU ARE NOT MARRIED so sadly original sin being what it is one of the spouses took advantage of the error of the FSSP Priest left the family. *** Interesting insight. Your question- poignantly phrased- touches on the experience of many a trad. Yet, he sticks with it like glue. But for the Presidents creativity, the College would have failed two years before it did. I was still reading his blog almost daily when it all transpired, and can remember it not sitting well with me after hearing his explanations. This is part of a much longer and laborious dissertation on obedience that has all the markings of an Epistle from Terry Carroll to Ferndale. Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz close friend of the FSSP and has does many ordinations for them excommunicated the SSPX in his diocese. South Bend, IN Michael Voris right now has a post up attacking the SSPX and he directly links to the FSSP site in Scotland and names Father John Emerson FSSP. FUNERAL HOMES. More folly from His Vortexcellency: UPDATED. Their jurisdiction is supplied by cannon law because they beleive there is a state of emergency in the church because people are in danger of losing the catholic faith. North American Headquarters, South Abington Twp, PA. If you dont mind-consider a few thingsyou dont have to respond-this is not a challenge. Dear de Maria, Will the FSSP issue a public statement in support of the SSPX and debunk the schism myth? Older Entries The SSPX is not under the jurisdiction of the local bishop thats why they are able to talk freely about the council and the heresy of modernism that is rampant in the church today. The clown Masses, the lack of faith on the part of leaders, the abuses, the watered-down catechesis, the lesbian nuns, the gay priests, the destruction of the Faith by religious orders, and on and on. Scranton, PA This is rich: Voris mentioning those who dont really know very much at all about the SSPX as he gets even the most basic facts completely wrong. Will the FSSP issue a public statement in support of the SSPX and debunk the schism myth? FSSP, Diocese of Providence Christine Rousselle is a former DC Correspondent for Catholic News Agency. Are they abandoning it if they fail to adopt the same posture as the SSPX? God bless you. Berg celebrated a Low Mass at 6:30 a.m. that Saturday morning in the SEAS Chapel. Nothing more and probably less. Don't forget to buy yourself a copy here! Weve got bigger fish to fry. Gerard Saguto, FSSP and Fr. That is something to be most thankful for. Incomplete, because it does not take sufficiently into account the living character of Tradition, which, as the Second Vatican Council clearly taught, comes from the apostles and progresses in the Church with the help of the Holy Spirit. Wolfes gem about things not coming into being by a legal declaration. Why should this action with the SSPX have any meaningful import? At one time, I am certain that Michael Voris would likewise refuse to sign such a statement. Sarasota, FL (opposite to voris) I would imagine quite the opposite, im sure this approach has caused louie a great deal of problems as of late. Wolfe is in some way, if not directly, but indirectly involved in what we are seeing play out. At the top of the page under Photo Albums: Relics and Vist, November 2015 Visit and Vespers Oct. 26 - Nov. 1, 2015 Denver, CO Father Flood has served his term(s) and is more than ready to go back to parish work. As our Lord taught, governed, and sanctified by His physical Body that He took of our Lady overshadowed by the Holy Ghost, so He continues to do now with His Mystical Body, the Church, overshadowed by the Holy Ghost on Pentecost. Gerard Saguto, FSSP, and the liturgical artist, Mr. Paul Sirba. A group like CMRI *does* accept those consequences, quite readily; they are not bothering to depend on any bishops but their own for their apostolates. All of us have a duties as Catholics. While the subjective options of Priests and the subjective problems of are friends are real and important the real questions are one of doctrine,principle and new mass. Adam and Eve tried to steal a glimpse of something they should not have, to put themselves in a position of control they could not have, and that is why faith was so insisted upon by our Lord throughout the Gospel. Dallas, TX Either way . Zero. The rules and commands originated with a person. Little Rock, AR This is the SSPX argument with respect to supplied jurisdiction. Are they abandoning it if they fail to adopt the same posture as the SSPX? I will look at the link of this man who was dead. In other words I am speaking about what the group believes officially and publicly. I certainly never meant to give that impression nor do I wish to be smug and patronizing. That said, no Catholic at any time ought ever to turn their back on another Catholic. Edmonton, AB There is enough hurt going around from anti-Catholics both outside and inside the Church, without throwing daggers at each other. Take any good news with a grain of salt when it comes from modernists. *** A couple decades ago I wrote for a very popular trad bi-monthly which I will not name, whose editor said a now famous statement: You can tell they are Catholics by their hate. I talk to a lot of people In and about the Fraternity. For these past years weve all been discussing how Pope Francis couldnt care less about dogma, doctrine, rules and rubrics. Pequannock, NJ The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter has served All Saints since 2013. In an effort to hold on to whatever they could of the Faith, they ran straight into the arms of groups like the SSPX, as well as others. Ottawa, ON You are supporting evil. Also, the cardinal mentioned Fr. He took some time waiting to see the fruits of the Novus Ordo before he made firm judgements. Catholic families (WITH CHILDREN) have broken up because the FSSP Priest told Catholics they were not licitly married because they were married by a SSPX Priest. He knows very well that the Council and the new Mass both are causing people to lose the faith. The FSSP superiors have already been notified: http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/fr.-john-emerson-fssp-on-his-break-from-the-sspx Will the FSSP leaders act? Gerard Saguto, FSSP. It was not accepted due to faulty translations. but they have an interesting video which I have linked to several times (not sure anyone has watched it), but they make a point re: +Wmson thinking that Ratzinger is a good person. IMHO what you point out is important. Servant of Our Lady,, Indeed, the extent and depth of the teaching of the Second Vatican Council call for a renewed commitment to deeper study in order to reveal clearly the Councils continuity with Tradition, especially in points of doctrine which, perhaps because they are NEW, have not yet been well understood by some sections of the Church.. 2nd group those that attend TLM this can range from someone who may attend a weekday TLM or sunday TLM but who still likes to be involved with their local parish and who sees no problem with new mass. Gerard Saguto (US District Superior) and Fr. **********Breaking News********** The question of the FSSP really is a question of doctrine,principle and new mass. Even more so, things that are most important also have an uncanny ability to expose our personal limits and insecurities, which we find threatening as they leave us open to criticism, and so engaging them carries its own risks. It is their dissent and heterodoxy and lack of courage that have caused all of this to happen. I am only asking this question in the hope that you can shed some light on this kind of behavior. The best way is to always talk about principles not personalities. Heck, they dont even tell every person they meet to avoid the Novus Ordo! Please look more closely at this. ), Even though Im not real keen on the idea of expending a great deal of energy parsing the criticisms of a man who is so clearly motivated by an agenda that has nothing whatsoever to do with seeking and telling the truth. Please allow us and them to listen to you. All in mortal sin? (1 Cor:23). Gerard Saguto, FSSP November 15, 2019 From Archbishop Bernard A. I will say this: Stay away from the FSSP, Taylor Marshall and CMTV. 15:5). I, too, had learned much from Fr. In the meantime, Im glad to say that I now fully support you and have put my money where my mouth is. You have inaccurately classified & also inaccurately defined the sedevacantist position. Oklahoma City, OK Heres the truth: The SSPX refuses to sign a statement saying the Vatican II is an integral part of the tradition of the Church. It is this to which they refuse to submit, not the legitimate authority of the pope. The abandoning took place with the founding document ecclesia dei in 1988 and was made more clear in 2003 with the FSSP constitutions. I know he is a good priest striving for holiness. I love the Saint so much. Many cant wait to give the high-five, and say Amen. He pretends he never believed anything other than what he spews today. He deleted from his website any and all references to his former positions; as well as the segments that include me; a 13 part Vatican II series among them. This definition of Tradition is what the FSSP publicly holds as a condition of being received into new church. make use of all the sacraments in the (old rite) at places like the FFSP , ICKSP etc this is where it can become a little complicated while these places offer all sacraments in the (old rite) they are in what we hear voris and others saying full communion with/under rome meaning that they are under the jurisdiction of the local bishop and cant/dont attack issues like the second vatican council. For once youre ranting, raving & complaining about something other than us evil sedevacantists! He's one of the FSSP priests in my neck of the woods! The attacks from Michael Voris & CMTV against Catholics in the SSPX would not be possible were it not for the FSSP and the Bishops who ordain Priests for the FSSP. Joliet, IL I dont know what changed his mind regarding the SSPX, but whatever or whomever it is has him hooked good. Dear de Maria nunquam satis, The pope has no authority to bind anyone to that which goes against the Catholic faith. The Bishop did not stop Nicholson. I think it is excellent. With regard to the heresy of Modernism running rampant & the Modernist Sect of which Bergoglio is head which occupies what were once Catholic parishes, it takes weeks, months, years to comprehend all that. Call Father Wolfe and ask him about the SSPX! FSSP Missions Where are the readers of this blog who have had enough of this detraction and gossip? Yes, I feel certain that this unfortunate behavior comes from both sides of the aisle (so to speak). We wait for the coming of the Son of God-made-Man, the focal point of all history, the only God there is, born to hang on a Cross and redeem us from our sins. Gerard Saguto, FSSP, North American Superior for the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, made a pastoral visit to Mater Dei on Sunday, March 6th, offering the 9:00 AM Sung Mass and the Benediction following the Mass. Sedevacantist bishops & priests interract with other Catholics, be they SSPX, those who are in diocesan life, etc. Scranton, PA No one here is committing the Mortal sin of Calumny here against the FSSP or Father Wolfe FSSP. In the event that a request were made in the future, the present restrictions on Father Sagutos ministry could only be lifted after our normal review process, which would have to include a recommendation from the Ministerial Review Board of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis, Archbishop Hebda added. There is a way to point out the faults of others. This is the will of God, your sanctification (1 Thess 4:3). And a real hand with a hole in it stands ready to open the door. Questions: I do think it possible to simultaneously hold that Bishop Olsons action was in certain ways unjust to the staff and students at Fisher More while also being critical of the administrative leadership of President King. I hope thats OK. For example, I dont think that grasping issues, as you put it, Alarico is at all key or even important. Wolfe) said earlier: Schism is not something that comes into being by a legal declaration. Kansas City/Westwood, KS has his way, they just might get one: Fairy(see) Fellay! We know where these attacks are coming from they are coming from the standard of Satan. Priest: Fr Gerard Saguto FSSP. This is sophomoric at best. Wolfe (as many on the ground have informed me and will likely attest here in the comment section) adopted a rather personal, and some would say unhealthy, animosity toward the SSPX. Qubec, QC Vancouver, BC It must be pointed out that validity is not the central issue. His Vortexellency has no authority to make this subjective determination as to willful intent. They accept the council and while there are priests that personally may object even tell certain parishiners this or that they have by joining one of these groups accepted romes position that the second vatican council is part of the church and tradition. http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/1973-new-from-remnant-tv-a-ceasefire-the-fssp-vs-the-sspx It long predated the actions in question of either of them. Whether an FSSP supporter is willing to admit it or not, he implicitly accepts the orthodoxy, legitimacy and/or intrinsic goodness of the Novus Ordo, ecumenism, religious liberty, communion in the hand, liturgical dance, server-ettes, All of these evils, in fact, are their responsibility. marian, Saguto FSSP on Saturday, October 7, 2017. 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